What is the difference between the 82-85 and the 85-87?

Is it true that they could be started by removing hazard lights button and put it back upside down?
It would be hilarious.

JFK wrote
Small mistake with the years, I will edit the Eagle soon. American cars on the European market usually had the biggest engines, as American cars were seen as expensive, thirsty luxury cars. So if you are going to buy one, you'll want the best one.

The horsepower thing often happens. European horsepower and American horsepower are not the same. American horsepower is always a little lower. Japanese cars also use European hp on Webcarstory, so you can see that the same car with the same engine has more hp in Japan.

That is odd, usually, when one model stops producing, it will be no longer avaliable for other markets (if the production does not move in other country, like Daewoo - Uzbekistan case).
Interesting move on european market. "Lets throw away small engine and keep only the biggest one with 4 speed automatic transmission."
Some people tend to confuse eagle and Chryslers versions, thats why I added same engine as Eagles: www.autorevue.cz/chrysler-vision-tsi-skvela-volba-zkusenosti_3 You can see here that it is stated that it have even more torque/power than US version.

i had correct it, chrysler vision is for 1992-1998, (eagle 1993-1997??)
Also only one V6 and with little changes. This is why we had to separate both models and not only copy paste the Eagle Vision

JFK wrote
Yes they do that sometimes, like the Latin American/African/Asian Chevrolets used to have the circle of the Opel emblem with the Chevrolet emblem in it. www.webcarstory.com/voiture.php?id=4928

JFK wrote
I didn't get your Protektorat thing, but then I don't know a lot about Germany or German cars. I do get that the Volkswagen Group works in strange ways. Seat is a joke for example.

Skoda has nice affordable cars, but isn't used to its full potential in my opinion. I'm still pissed they never built the Tudor concept into a production car. And that they used the Rapid name on a boring small 5-dr hatchback.

Volkswagen has to be the weirdest, the Phaeton is sold in Europe for some reason, even though only the Chinese buy it, and the very interesting Volkswagen W12 Nardo concept was dropped in favor of the (in my opnion less exciting) Audi R8.

Doing it already. Funny thing is that badge is different but same shaped. They just slapped pentastar over the Eagle logo shape.

JFK wrote
Chrysler Vision has a different badge and should be added under Chrysler (Europe).

Rinspeed wrote
There are no tech differences between them, but okay I will do it as a standalone. I will at least edit it that it was presented in 1992 Detroit.

JFK wrote
Yes if you want the European version, you had to put the Chrysler version,not the Eagle version. We had adpoted this rule in the past, no two make for a rebadged car but 2 page because it can have differences in engines, logo could not be the same etc

I will edit this as Eagle Chrysler Vision, because it was called Chrysler in Europe. It is technically a name in different market, but I will keep Eagle in first place since it is proably their only not badge-engineered production car.
EDIT: Well nothing. Got rejected.

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Desscythe17 wrote
Apart from that greedy germans are keeping their inovative stuff in VWs, because Skoda wins lot of comparsion tests, even if it is from Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren (sorry if anyone german is offended). By the way, I should do the S120 thing tomorrow.

Interesting responses. I love that they are no trollers on this site, but adult (or with adult manners) people. Great to talk about various car related things.

carcrasher88 wrote
At least the Scion models weren't sold on the same market under another brand. For the American market they were all unique to Scion. (Except for the FR-S, as it's sold as a Subaru)

I could start a rant about how Audi, Skoda and Seat are mostly rebadged Volkswagens, but it's a slightly different story as the exteriors are mostly different.

Don't forget Scion, which is pretty much all badge engineered models...well, technically just rebadged, but that still counts..., with the exception of one.

The xB was first a rebadged bB, then a rebadged Corolla Rumion, the xA and xD were rebadged ists, the FR-S is a rebadged GT86/86, the iQ was literally the Toyota iQ with a Scion badge and NO change in nameplate, the iM is a rebadged Auris, and the iA is a rebadged Mazda2 sedan.

The one exception is the tC, which is not a rebadged Toyota, but rather rebadged AS a Toyota, the Zelas.

JFK wrote
In many cases it has to do with location and distribution. Vauxhall was an original automaker back in the day, but was purchased by General Motors in 1925, and has slowly been replaced by a "global brand". The only reason it isn't called Opel, Holden or Chevrolet is because the British have certain feelings when they hear Vauxhall. Same goes for Holden and Opel of course.

Eagle is a sad story as it was the remains from AMC bought by Chrysler. AMC at this point was nothing more than rebadged Renaults because their alliance seemed to be more profitable than (read: didn't cost as much as) producing own cars.
Eagle has some interesting cars, the Eagle Vision was an advanced car for its time, but due to a lack of marketing for the Eagle brand, was overshadowed by its cousins (who were actually based off of the Vision), the Dodge Intrepid and Chrysler Concorde.
The Eagle Talon also seems to have made an impression on the American market, as it is often preferred over its more famous cousin, the Mitsubishi Eclipse.
The Eagle brand was supposed to sell Mitsubishis until it had enough brand recognition to build its own car, but it didn't work as planned and Chrysler decided to kill Eagle. (And the only planned original Eagle became the Chrysler 300M).

Geo was made by General Motors to sell small economy cars they didn't want to sell under the Chevrolet brand, but that market wasn't popular for long in the United States. It also didn't help that Suzuki AND Isuzu sold the same cars on the American market.

Merkur was a sad attempt by Ford to make European Fords popular in America, which didn't work, because they were meant for the European market (duh).

Of course, ZAZ is not a brand I know about, but I believe it has to do with producing locally in Ukraine.

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Seriously what is the point in brands that use only badge engineered cars...
I mean, there is lot of component sharing in today world, but these are literally cars with different badge and mask. Eagle, Geo, Merkur, ZAZ (nowadays), Vauxhall/Opel (but the coolest vehicle from Vauxhall (Holden) VXR8 isnt for continental europe)...

Called Mitsubishi Galant Σ for the 1988 model year.

JFK wrote
The LRV was sold as Space Runner in Europe. The Resort Runner GT had the Lancer Evo/Galant VR-4 engine at that time. Why? Because why not.

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I can be wrong, but this was proably sold in europe as Space Wagon. Not sure about the LRV version though.
And I found out that there was japan only turbocharged limited edition called Resort Runner GT.

Mieguy wrote
I think that can just be added to Special Editions on this car (2008 though, not 2008-2012). Apart from the grille and the spoiler, it's not different enough to require a seperate page. I also think a Ford (Middle East) isn't necessary.

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Mieguy wrote
My dad took his time getting to know this car at Frankfurt. He has owned many cars, but he really liked the Clubman. I think the car is fine for young families or people who don't have kids to drive around (anymore). Only downside to the car in my opinion is the price, but that is nothing shocking.

Ford built some models for the Middle East upon special order and exported it until 2012. But the production ended in 2011, they only sold existing stock in 2012: jalopnik.com/5840637/the-last-ford-crown-victoria-ever-built

"Thanks to those employees, we know that the final Crown Victoria will be built for a Saudi Arabian customer, painted white with a tan interior and optional rear seat air conditioning."

But we need an extra page for the Middle East model because it has a different grille and more chrome on the trunk (2008-2012): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Crown_Victoria#/media/File:Crown_Victoria_Special_Edition_Grille.jpg

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I sat in the Clubman in Frankfurt. All these nice classic looking switches and the dashboard is pretty cool and nice. Regardless of the amount of doors this car is not practical. A car for beginners and fashionable people, but the ordinary (british) man will not like it.

Rinspeed wrote
On IMCDB they have it as 1953 Fiat 1100 Boat-Car www.imcdb.org/vehicle_494681-Fiat-1100-Boat-Car-103-1953.html I did not find any italian naming for it
EDIT: you just edited it as Coriasco Fiat, so I guess that Boat-Car can be removed, since we differed it from ordinary Fiat 1100.

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i don't think that boat car is in the name, as it's an italian car

carcrasher88 wrote
I changed it, but I think it's difficult to say its of Australian origin when it has a rotary engine and Mazda transmission. More cars like this have that problem I feel.

The first one was apparently made in the UK (not sure where, though), but every one since has been built in Spokane, Washington.

Former aircraft brand, but it did a few tries with flyable cars on same principle like Ford Pinto AVE Mizar. Incredibly hard to find specs about it, but with some googling and trying to find few thing about Crosley engine used in that car in encyclopedia you can fill a few columns.

Shouldn't this technically be of Australian origin, as it's literally just a Holden Premier with a rotary engine and Mazda badging?