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 |   Rinspeed
2023-05-26 23:50 | The restyling is really really light in 2020, so i don't do a new page for it. |
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SolanaBogon
2022-11-20 20:28 | Please delete Zilina as built location, it is redundant with Teplička nad Vhom (which is the more correct one) |
 |   Desscythe17
2017-04-27 21:21 | You don't need to put AWD in engine names, as it already states that the car has it after the transmission. |
 |   speedfreak975
2017-03-29 18:05 | that car is literally everywhere here. |
|   carcrazedalex586
2017-03-27 20:31 | I guess it's only available in these following markets (Russian/Chinese model not included): -South Korea -North America -Chile -South Africa -Australia (pre-facelift only) -Malaysia -Philippines -Lebanon -- Last edit: 2017-03-31 13:55:56 |
| Desscythe17
2017-03-27 19:18 | Nope, except for the 1st gen, the sedan was never sold in Western Europe. |
|   JFK
2017-03-27 19:01 | I dont recall it, but most likely no. |
| carcrazedalex586
2017-03-27 18:59 | Was the Kia Rio sedan ever sold in Europe? I know that Eastern Europe likes sedans so is it sold in Eastern Europe? |
| Rinspeed
2017-02-20 14:41 | carcrazedalex586 wrote Should the SA version really have its own page? It's not much different from the European model, except that it's RHD. So maybe this goes on a UK version page? it's the page for Kia Europe here |
| carcrazedalex586
2017-02-20 13:47 | Should the SA version really have its own page? It's not much different from the European model, except that it's RHD. So maybe this goes on a UK version page? |
| carcrazedalex586
2017-02-17 20:15 | My family owns the sedan version. |
 |   Renz203
2016-10-05 11:25 | Desscythe17 wrote I always thought this car was related to the Toyota Ipsum/Picnic (www.webcarstory.com/voiture.php?id=5212), but apparently Kia just copied the wraparound rear window from Toyota. South Korea sometimes copies cars from Japan. For example: Hyundai Sonata is actually korean Honda Accord. orientals.web.fc2.com/koreanfake_files/accordsonata.jpg ( Sonata on the left and Accord on the right.) Hyundai Trajet is a korean Honda Oddesey. Trajet: similarcar.com/img/thumbnail/9350/9967/9968/pp_600x340.jpg Oddesey: www.hondapartsonline.net/vehicle-images/honda-odyssey.jpg NOTE: I also see a Chevrolet Venture and Mazda MPV on the Trajet. |
 | JFK
2016-04-26 21:52 | My teacher has this in exact same color .gif ":)") |
 |   Mark0
2016-02-02 21:55 | JFK wrote Car with less gadgets is far more reliable, since there are less thing that can possibly break down  |
| JFK
2016-02-02 19:57 | Desscythe17 wrote If I understand you correctly, you just like cars with a more minimalist design, less extravagant. Yes, and not only design. Car with less gadgets is far more reliable, since there are less thing that can possibly break down - that is why I like original Dacia Logan/Logan MCV. |
| Desscythe17
2016-02-02 19:14 | JFK wrote Both. I dont like SUV-Coupe crossover BMW X6 (seriously who need that - I cant imagine anyone to wake up in the morning and say: I want car that have little headroom in back and cant go up a hill with wet grass, yet it have high ground clearance and it weigh awfully lot), but I also dont like the modern styling of the cars. For example Peugeots used to be normal cars, not too nice but not awful either. Then came the 206 with her mouth and it was a cute car. And somebody said, if it works for 206, lets put it on every Peugeot and make it bigger. 107 (the mouth is that big that the car is capable of eating itself and poor engine need a blanket for night), 207, 307, 407 - all those had horrible design, and back then I used to say that it is not getting any worse than that. Peugeot 508 came and I was proven wrong. It is a hideous car with awful front and terrible rear. Nissan Murano wasnt good looking car at the start, but after facelift they managed to get it just enough disgusting that it is a definition of badly designed car. Bugatti Veyron looks like a obese man in his 50s, when he finally got enough money to buy cabriolet, and he thinks that he looks cool. 2nd gen Fiat Panda is not a nice looking car, but it is okay. And that is the reason why 3rd gen got servo motor from Cadillacs windscreen wipers as a engine and a obese look. Like it is trying to fit in same bodyshell as 2nd panda, but it ate too many cookies on Christmas holidays. Opel/Vauxhall Corsa - the one from 90s got pretty cute design, but they make it worse over the next generations. And I could go on and on and on. I left koda cars on purpose, since they are very common here, so it would be not very objective. If I understand you correctly, you just like cars with a more minimalist design, less extravagant. |
| JFK
2016-02-02 18:55 | Desscythe17 wrote You mean crossovers taking over the world? Or just styling of modern cars getting worse? Both. I dont like SUV-Coupe crossover BMW X6 (seriously who need that - I cant imagine anyone to wake up in the morning and say: I want car that have little headroom in back and cant go up a hill with wet grass, yet it have high ground clearance and it weigh awfully lot), but I also dont like the modern styling of the cars. For example Peugeots used to be normal cars, not too nice but not awful either. Then came the 206 with her mouth and it was a cute car. And somebody said, if it works for 206, lets put it on every Peugeot and make it bigger. 107 (the mouth is that big that the car is capable of eating itself and poor engine need a blanket for night), 207, 307, 407 - all those had horrible design, and back then I used to say that it is not getting any worse than that. Peugeot 508 came and I was proven wrong. It is a hideous car with awful front and terrible rear. Nissan Murano wasnt good looking car at the start, but after facelift they managed to get it just enough disgusting that it is a definition of badly designed car. Bugatti Veyron looks like a obese man in his 50s, when he finally got enough money to buy cabriolet, and he thinks that he looks cool. 2nd gen Fiat Panda is not a nice looking car, but it is okay. And that is the reason why 3rd gen got servo motor from Cadillacs windscreen wipers as a engine and a obese look. Like it is trying to fit in same bodyshell as 2nd panda, but it ate too many cookies on Christmas holidays. Opel/Vauxhall Corsa - the one from 90s got pretty cute design, but they make it worse over the next generations. And I could go on and on and on. I left koda cars on purpose, since they are very common here, so it would be not very objective. |
| Desscythe17
2016-02-02 17:09 | Mark0 wrote That's right. Japanese are somehow crazy with everything not just cars And about that big grille it's OK for V8 cars with 7.0 engine, but i don't know why this Sportage has big grille and have cutting edge cooling system installed in it. It's true that grilles lost their function a really long time ago, but it also gives cars a more aggressive or impressive look. Without this big grille the car might look more bland and boring. (Which it already does in my opinion) -- Last edit: 2016-02-02 17:09:51 |
| Mark0
2016-02-02 16:54 | Desscythe17 wrote Well that's just car industry trends. There always have been and there always will be. But look at JDM cars like www.webcarstory.com/voiture.php?id=20773 . I don't think this looks anything like the stereotypes you stated, but it is a car that sells very well in Japan. Look at the current Ford Fiesta. A car that globally sells very well, and doesn't really have any of the things you stated (except for a big grille). But a big grille has always been very popular on cars to give them a more "premium" feel, look at Lincolns or Cadillacs from the 70s for example. That's right. Japanese are somehow crazy with everything not just cars And about that big grille it's OK for V8 cars with 7.0 engine, but i don't know why this Sportage has big grille and have cutting edge cooling system installed in it. |
| Desscythe17
2016-02-02 15:08 | Mark0 wrote And now they all look same. Big grill, small headlights and rear lights that goes across whole car and small windows so they can sell that stupid cameras for parking and night visions. There are also nice new cars(like retrp cars: MINI or Fiat 500), but they are in shadow of these money grabbers. Well that's just car industry trends. There always have been and there always will be. But look at JDM cars like www.webcarstory.com/voiture.php?id=20773 . I don't think this looks anything like the stereotypes you stated, but it is a car that sells very well in Japan. Look at the current Ford Fiesta. A car that globally sells very well, and doesn't really have any of the things you stated (except for a big grille). But a big grille has always been very popular on cars to give them a more "premium" feel, look at Lincolns or Cadillacs from the 70s for example. -- Last edit: 2016-02-02 15:10:24 |
| Mark0
2016-02-02 14:00 | Desscythe17 wrote Really? To me most pre-WWII cars look the same. Because there wasn't a lot of technology and the car had just evolved from the horseless carriage, people didn't know what they could do with the design of a car. Even in the 50s, cars still just followed a general design trend and looked similar. I think the 60s is the time period where cars look the most original. And now they all look same. Big grill, small headlights and rear lights that goes across whole car and small windows so they can sell that stupid cameras for parking and night visions. There are also nice new cars(like retrp cars: MINI or Fiat 500), but they are in shadow of these money grabbers. |
| Desscythe17
2016-02-02 12:30 | Mark0 wrote I agree with JFK. Just look at cars from 1920's & 1930's like Delahaye, Delage, Bugatti, SS Jaguar, Duesenberg or even cheap cars Austin, Ford, BMW, Citreon. They have bad technology back then and bad machines for making body & parts, but look how those cars look. Now it's easy to make everything but cars look too like each others. Really? To me most pre-WWII cars look the same. Because there wasn't a lot of technology and the car had just evolved from the horseless carriage, people didn't know what they could do with the design of a car. Even in the 50s, cars still just followed a general design trend and looked similar. I think the 60s is the time period where cars look the most original. |
| Mark0
2016-02-02 12:21 | I agree with JFK. Just look at cars from 1920's & 1930's like Delahaye, Delage, Bugatti, SS Jaguar, Duesenberg or even cheap cars Austin, Ford, BMW, Citreon. They have bad technology back then and bad machines for making body & parts, but look how those cars look. Now it's easy to make everything but cars look too like each others. -- Last edit: 2016-02-02 12:22:50 |
| Desscythe17
2016-02-02 01:50 | JFK wrote If car design (in general) gets worse and worse with each year, I am quite curious what cars would look like in 10 years. And what I will eventually use as a car when all cars will look like this, Peugeot 508, Nissan Juke, Nissan Murano, Citron DS5 or worse. You mean crossovers taking over the world? Or just styling of modern cars getting worse? I personally don't think it's worse. It's just different than before, and it will always be. I think at some point we just have seen so many cars that we decide for ourselves which designs are the best, and nothing new will be able to ever surpass that. But that's not because of bad design, it's because of our not accepting that design can be different anymore. |
| JFK
2016-02-01 22:22 | If car design (in general) gets worse and worse with each year, I am quite curious what cars would look like in 10 years. And what I will eventually use as a car when all cars will look like this, Peugeot 508, Nissan Juke, Nissan Murano, Citron DS5 or worse. |
| Desscythe17
2015-10-25 20:25 | I always thought this car was related to the Toyota Ipsum/Picnic (www.webcarstory.com/voiture.php?id=5212), but apparently Kia just copied the wraparound rear window from Toyota. |
 | Desscythe17
2014-01-03 10:38 | Has been facelifted end 2013 for Korean and American market. |
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 carcrasher88
2013-07-27 03:36 | Sold as Rondo in Canada, 2.0L only. www.kia.ca/pages/showroom/gallery.aspx?model=rondo |
 | Desscythe17
2012-08-13 21:34 | yes, well I think the Optima and K5 have more exterior differences than those 2 207 SW. |
| Rinspeed
2012-08-13 21:32 | not the same front for the 2 207 (with or wothout the 'noise') -- Last edit: 2012-08-13 21:33:30 |
| Desscythe17
2012-08-13 21:27 | there are enough differences in the bumpers and lights and such, if that isn't enough, why for example is there both www.webcarstory.com/voiture.php?id=3309 and www.webcarstory.com/voiture.php?id=3321 |
| Rinspeed
2012-08-13 20:46 | so fck, what are the differences with K5? |
| Rinspeed
2012-08-12 18:39 | i dont understand why is there this car, it's the same than K5. |
| Desscythe17
2012-08-12 12:40 | As Rinspeed has told me many times, you can clearly see the differences in the bumpers, lights, etc. |
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 Mieguy
2012-08-12 12:11 | whats the difference between this car and that: www.webcarstory.com/voiture.php?id=7321 Optima is just the european name for the K5 as far as i know. |
| Desscythe17
2012-08-12 10:22 | The 2.4 is only for Russia and Eastern Europe. www.kia.ru/models/optima/configurator/ -- Last edit: 2012-08-12 10:24:13 |
|   fck
2012-08-12 09:33 | If anyone knows which another engines are offered in Europe (in Poland just 136hp CRDi for now), please add. |
 | fck
2012-08-12 09:27 | Fixd. |
| Desscythe17
2012-08-11 15:41 | the images on this are for the 2008-2010 pro_cee'd, not for the 2010- pro_cee'd |
 |  sajmon14
2012-05-24 15:27 | Anything that is red makes car more sporty. Well those wheels look kinda GTI-ish too |
| Desscythe17
2012-05-24 08:09 | it really annoys me that it has that red grille. did they steal it from VW GTI? |
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Mieguy
2012-05-09 08:18 | its Peter Schreyer. You forgot the "E" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schreyer |
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Mieguy
2012-05-09 08:18 | its Peter Schreyer. You forgot the "E" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schreyer |
 | Rinspeed
2011-12-20 11:33 | i had add 8 engines to this car (only 1.6 and 2.0 CRDI 140 before) |
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 Neon
2011-11-15 21:22 | Larger pictures if you want replace them    |
 | Mark0
2011-09-13 19:49 | Rinspeed wrote page to complete when there will be more informations Complete |
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m.pfaffeneder
2011-09-11 18:39 | Built in Seosan (South Korea) |
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carcrasher88
2011-09-11 15:56 | This would be pretty neat if they sold it in the US. Chevrolet's got the Spark coming next year, and the Fiat 500's doing pretty good in sales. Maybe if the Spark does well, it could convince Kia to bring this to compete. Wouldn't that be neat? |
| Rinspeed
2011-09-11 13:53 | There is also 3 doors version sold in few days/month. I don't see it in Korea at this moment only in Europe. We will see. |
| Desscythe17
2011-09-11 13:23 | Picanto sounds so incredibly retarded, I wish they'd call it Morning in Europe. |
